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Nature of Intelligence, Ep. 6: AI’s changing seasons
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4 Dec 2024
Guest: • Melanie Mitchell, Resident Professor, Santa Fe Institute Hosts: Abha Eli Phoboo Producer: Katherine Moncure Podcast theme music by: Mitch Mignano Follow us on: Twitter

Nature of Intelligence, Ep. 5: How do we assess intelligence?
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20 Nov 2024
Guests: • Erica Cartmill, Professor, Anthropology and Cognitive Science, Indiana University Bloomington • Ellie Pavlick, Assistant Professor, Computer Science and Linguistics, Brown University

Nature of Intelligence, Ep. 4: Babies vs Machines
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6 Nov 2024
Guests: • Linda Smith, Distinguished Professor and Chancellor's Professor, Psychological and Brain Sciences, Department of Psychological and Brain Sciences, Indiana University Bloomington •

Nature of Intelligence, Ep. 3: What kind of intelligence is an LLM?
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23 Oct 2024
Guests: • Tomer Ullman, Assistant Professor, Department of Psychology, Harvard University • Murray Shanahan, Professor of Cognitive Robotics, Department of Computing, Imperial College London;

Nature of Intelligence, Ep. 2: The relationship between language and thought
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9 Oct 2024
Guests: • Evelina Fedorenko, Associate Professor, Department of Brain and Cognitive Sciences, and Investigator, McGovern Institute for Brain Research, MIT • Steve Piantadosi, Professor of

Nature of Intelligence, Ep. 1: What is Intelligence
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25 Sep 2024
Guests: • Alison Gopnik, SFI External Faculty; Professor of Psychology and Affiliate Professor of Philosophy at University of California, Berkeley; Member of Berkeley AI Research Group • John

Trailer for The Nature of Intelligence
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19 Sep 2024
Right now, AI is having a moment — and it’s not the first time grand predictions about the potential of machines are being made. But, what does it really mean to say something like ChatGPT is

Physics of Life, Ep 6: Multiple worlds, containing multitudes
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10 Apr 2024
Guests: • Heather Graham, Research Associate at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Hosts: Abha Eli Phoboo & Chris Kempes Producer: Katherine Moncure Podcast theme music by: Mitch Mignano

Physics of Life, Ep 5: How human history shapes scientific inquiry
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27 Mar 2024
Guests: • David Krakauer, President and William H. Miller Professor of Complex Systems at the Santa Fe Institute • Sean Carroll, External Professor and Fractal Faculty at the Santa Fe

Physics of Life, Ep 4: The physics of collectives
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13 Mar 2024
Guests: • Melanie Moses, External Professor at the Santa Fe Institute, Professor of Computer Science and Associate Professor of Biology at University of New Mexico • Hyejin Youn, External

Physics of Life, Ep 3: Why is life so diverse?
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28 Feb 2024
Guests: • Brian Enquist, External Professor at the Santa Fe Institute, Professor of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at University of Arizona • Pablo Marquet, External Professor at the Santa

Physics of Life, Ep 2: How do we identify life?
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14 Feb 2024
Guests: • Ricard Solé, External Professor at the Santa Fe Institute, Head of the Complex Systems Lab at Universitat Pompeu Fabra • Sara Walker, External Professor at the Santa Fe Institute,

Physics of Life, Ep 1: What can physics tell us about ourselves?
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31 Jan 2024
Guests: • Vijay Balasubramanian, External Professor at the Santa Fe Institute, Cathy and Marc Lasry Professor of Physics at the University of Pennsylvania • Geoffrey West, Shannan

Trailer for Physics of Life
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29 Jan 2024
Trailer for Complexity: Physics of Life, from the Santa Fe Institute

Michael Garfield & David Krakauer on Evolution, Information, and Jurassic Park
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30 Jun 2023
Episode Title and Show Notes: 106 - Michael Garfield & David Krakauer on Evolution, Information, and Jurassic Park Welcome to Complexity, the official podcast of the Santa Fe Institute. I'm Michael

Mason Porter on Community Detection and Data Topology
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5 Apr 2023
One way of looking at the world reveals it as an interference pattern of dynamic, ever-changing links — relationships that grow and break in nested groups of multilayer networks. Identity can be

Andrea Wulf on Magnificent Rebels: The First Romantics and The Invention of The Self
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24 Mar 2023
For centuries, Medieval life in Europe meant a world determined and prescribed by church and royalty. The social sphere was very much a pyramid, and everybody had to answer to and fit within the

Carlos Gershenson on Balance, Criticality, Antifragility, and The Philosophy of Complex Systems
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9 Mar 2023
How do we get a handle on complex systems thinking? What are the implications of this science for philosophy, and where does philosophical tradition foreshadow findings from the scientific frontier?

Complex Conceptions of Time with David Krakauer, Ted Chiang, David Wolpert, & James Gleick
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24 Feb 2023
And now for something completely different! Last October, The Santa Fe Institute held its third InterPlanetary Festival (https://interplanetaryfest.org/) at SITE Santa Fe, celebrating the immensely

Paul Smaldino & C. Thi Nguyen on Problems with Value Metrics & Governance at Scale (EPE 06)
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9 Feb 2023
There are maps, and there are territories, and humans frequently confuse the two. No matter how insistently this point has been made by cognitive neuroscience, epistemology, economics, and a score of

Dani Bassett & Perry Zurn on The Neuroscience & Philosophy of Curious Minds
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25 Jan 2023
This is a podcast by and for the curious — and yet, in over three years, we have pointed curiosity at nearly every topic but itself. What is it, anyway? Are there worse and better frames for

Alison Gopnik on Child Development, Elderhood, Caregiving, and A.I.
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11 Jan 2023
Humans have an unusually long childhood — and an unusually long elderhood past the age of reproductive activity. Why do we spend so much time playing and exploring, caregiving and reflecting,

Ricard Solé on Liquid and Solid Brains and Terraforming The Biosphere
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22 Dec 2022
What does it mean to think? What are the traits of thinking systems that we could use to identify them? Different environmental variables call for different strategies in individual and collective

Glen Weyl & Cris Moore on Plurality, Governance, and Decentralized Society (EPE 05)
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10 Dec 2022
In his foundational 1972 paper “More Is Different,” physicist Phil Anderson made the case that reducing the objects of scientific study to their smallest components does not allow researchers to

John Krakauer Part 2: Learning, Curiosity, and Consciousness
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23 Nov 2022
What makes us human? Over the last several decades, the once-vast island of human exceptionalism has lost significant ground to wave upon wave of research revealing cognition, emotion,

John Krakauer Part 1: Taking Multiple Perspectives on The Brain
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11 Nov 2022
The brain is arguably one of the most complex objects known to science. How best to understand it? That is a trick question: brains are organized at many levels and attempts to grasp them all through

David Wolpert & Farita Tasnim on The Thermodynamics of Communication
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21 Oct 2022
Communication is a physical process. It’s common sense that sending and receiving intelligible messages takes work…but how much work? The question of the relationship between energy, information,

Kate Adamala on Synthetic Biology, Origins of Life, and Bioethics
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1 Oct 2022
What does it mean to be alive? Our origins are the horizon of our understanding, and as with the physical horizon, our approach brings us no closer. The more we learn, the more mysterious it all

Miguel Fuentes & Marco Buongiorno Nardelli on Music, Emergence, and Society
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21 Sep 2022
One way to frame the science of complexity is as a revelation of the hidden order under seemingly separate phenomena — a teasing-out of music from the noise of history and nature. This effort

Steven Teles & Rajiv Sethi on Jailbreaking The Captured Economy (EPE 04)
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2 Sep 2022
As the old nut goes, “To the victor goes the spoils.” But if each round of play consolidates the spoils into fewer hands, eventually it comes to pass that wealthy special interests twist the

Caleb Scharf on The Ascent of Information: Life in The Human Dataome
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19 Aug 2022
Chances are you’re listening to this on an advanced computer that fits in your pocket, but is really just one tentacle tip of a giant, planet-spanning architecture for the gathering and processing

Daniel Lieberman on Evolution and Exercise: The Science of Human Endurace
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3 Aug 2022
Human beings are distinctly weird. We live for a very long time after we stop reproducing, move completely differently than all of our closest relatives, lack the power of chimpanzees and other

Aviv Bergman on The Evolution of Robustness and Integrating The Disciplines
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18 Jul 2022
Ask any martial artist: It’s not just where a person strikes you but your stance that matters. The amplitude and angle of a blow is one thing but how you can absorb and/or deflect it makes the

Sara Walker on The Physics of Life and Planet-Scale Intelligence
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2 Jul 2022
What is life, and where does it come from? These are two of the deepest, most vexing, and persistent questions in science, and their enduring mystery and allure is complicated by the fact that

Dmitri Tymoczko on The Shape of Music: Mathematical Order in Western Tonality
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18 Jun 2022
Math and music share their mystery and magic. Three notes, played together, make a chord whose properties could not be predicted from those of the separate notes. In the West, music theory and

Seth Blumsack on Power Grids: Network Topology & Governance
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4 Jun 2022
We lead our lives largely unaware of the immense effort required to support them. All of us grew up inside the so-called “Grid” — actually one of many interconnected regional power grids that

Ricardo Hausmann & J. Doyne Farmer on Evolving Technologies & Market Ecologies (EPE 03)
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21 May 2022
As our world knits together, economic interdependencies change in both shape and nature. Supply chains, finance, labor, technological innovation, and geography interact in puzzling nonlinear ways.

Eric Beinhocker & Diane Coyle on Rethinking Economics for A Sustainable & Prosperous World (EPE 02)
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6 May 2022
In the digital era, data is practically the air we breathe. So why does everybody treat it like a product to be hoarded and sold at profit? How would our world change if Big Tech operated on

David Krakauer on Emergent Political Economies and A Science of Possibility (EPE 01)
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21 Apr 2022
The world is unfair — but how much of that unfairness is inevitable, and how much is just contingency? After centuries of efforts to arrive at formal theories of history, society, and economics,

C. Brandon Ogbunu on Epistasis & The Primacy of Context in Complex Systems
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8 Apr 2022
Context is king: whether in language, ecology, culture, history, economics, or chemistry. One of the core teachings of complexity science is that nothing exists in isolation — especially when it

Mingzhen Lu on The Evolution of Root Systems & Biogeochemical Cycling
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26 Mar 2022
As fictional Santa Fe Institute chaos mathematician Ian Malcolm famously put it, “Life finds a way” — and this is perhaps nowhere better demonstrated than by roots: seeking out every

The Ethics of Autonomous Vehicles with Bryant Walker Smith
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11 Mar 2022
Autonomous vehicles hardly live up to their name. The goal of true “driverlessness” was originally hyped in the 1930s but keeps getting kicked further and further into the future as the true

Elizabeth Hobson on Animal Dominance Hierarchies
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25 Feb 2022
Irrespective of your values, if you’re listening to this, you live in a pecking order. Dominance hierarchies, as they’re called by animal behaviorists, define the lives of social creatures. The

Hard Sci-Fi Worldbuilding, Robotics, Society, & Purpose with Gary Bengier
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11 Feb 2022
As a careful study of the world, science is reflective and reactive — it constrains our flights of fancy, anchors us in hard-won fact. By contrast, science fiction is a speculative world-building

Multiscale Crisis Response: Melanie Moses & Kathy Powers, Part 2
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27 Jan 2022
COVID has exposed and possibly amplified the polarization of society. What can we learn from taking a multiscale approach to crisis response? There are latencies in economies of scale, inequality of

Fractal Inequality & The Complexity of Repair: Kathy Powers & Melanie Moses, Part 1
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13 Jan 2022
Some people say we’re all in the same boat; others say no, but we’re all in the same storm. Wherever you choose to focus the granularity of your inquiry, one thing is certain: we are all embedded

Reflections on COVID-19 with David Krakauer & Geoffrey West
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22 Dec 2021
If you’re honest with yourself, you’re likely asking of the last two years: What happened? The COVID-19 pandemic is a prism through which our stories and predictions have refracted…or perhaps

Tina Eliassi-Rad on Democracies as Complex Systems
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13 Dec 2021
Democracy is a quintessential complex system: citizens’ decisions shape each other’s in nonlinear and often unpredictable ways; the emergent institutions exert top-down regulation on the


