Episode 41: To Be Incarnational
Manifesto! · 
Jake and Phil are joined by the great poet Tom Sleigh to discuss his essay "To Be Incarnational," on the World War I poetry of David Jones, as well as Tom's poem "In Which a Spider Weaves a Web on My Computer Screen"
The Manifesto:
Tom Sleigh, To Be Incarnational
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/articles/70066/to-be-incarnational (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/articles/70066/to-be-incarnational)
The Art:
Tom Sleigh, "In Which a Spider Weaves a Web on My Computer Screen"
https://vimeo.com/669317283 (https://vimeo.com/669317283)